Comments on: The Death Penalty: Reasonable Doubt http://progressiveworldreview.com/2008/05/06/the-death-penalty-reasonable-doubt/ Providing rational discussion on today's issues Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:14:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Paul Wilden http://progressiveworldreview.com/2008/05/06/the-death-penalty-reasonable-doubt/#comment-77 Paul Wilden Mon, 12 May 2008 16:06:08 +0000 http://progressiveworldreview.com/?p=93#comment-77 <em>The issue about whether or not someone deserves the death penalty is a completely different argument about whether or not the state should put people to death. Are there people who deserve the death penalty or, if given that chance, I would put a gun to their head and pull the trigger? ABSOLUTELY. Some of these people are evil in the flesh and society would be better off getting rid of them. </em> Well put Scy. I couldn't agree more. This issue has <em>nothing</em> to do with sympathy for the predators in our society. There are countless people that would have no problem executing myself. This is all about how much power should be given to the state. It's also about respecting the ideals of our criminal justice system which has <em>nothing</em> to with exacting revenge, no matter how much it's deserved.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('77','Paul Wilden'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('77','Paul Wilden','<em>The issue about whether or not someone deserves the death penalty is a completely different argument about whether or not the state should put people to death.\r\n\r\nAre there people who deserve the death penalty or, if given that chance, I would put a gun to their head and pull the trigger? ABSOLUTELY. Some of these people are evil in the flesh and society would be better off getting rid of them. \r\n\r\n<\/em>\r\n\r\nWell put Scy. I couldn\'t agree more. This issue has <em>nothing<\/em> to do with sympathy for the predators in our society. There are countless people that would have no problem executing myself. This is all about how much power should be given to the state. It\'s also about respecting the ideals of our criminal justice system which has <em>nothing<\/em> to with exacting revenge, no matter how much it\'s deserved.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The issue about whether or not someone deserves the death penalty is a completely different argument about whether or not the state should put people to death.

Are there people who deserve the death penalty or, if given that chance, I would put a gun to their head and pull the trigger? ABSOLUTELY. Some of these people are evil in the flesh and society would be better off getting rid of them.

Well put Scy. I couldn’t agree more. This issue has nothing to do with sympathy for the predators in our society. There are countless people that would have no problem executing myself. This is all about how much power should be given to the state. It’s also about respecting the ideals of our criminal justice system which has nothing to with exacting revenge, no matter how much it’s deserved.

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]]> By: Scy http://progressiveworldreview.com/2008/05/06/the-death-penalty-reasonable-doubt/#comment-76 Scy Mon, 12 May 2008 15:37:48 +0000 http://progressiveworldreview.com/?p=93#comment-76 I don't understand why the real argument on this issue is, at best, glossed over and, at worst, ignored. I have been both a prosecutor and defense attorney before I retired. The issue about whether or not someone deserves the death penalty is a completely different argument about whether or not the state should put people to death. Are there people who deserve the death penalty or, if given that chance, I would put a gun to their head and pull the trigger? ABSOLUTELY. Some of these people are evil in the flesh and society would be better off getting rid of them. However, think for a moment about someone you love and ask yourself would it be worth executing your significant other or your kids or your parents to execute the child killer that we KNOW is guilty? Of course not . . . at least I can't imagine anyone giving another answer. And we KNOW for 100% certainty that that has occurred in America. We HAVE executed the innocent. thanks to DNA evidence we have saved many innocents from that fate. Because people merge these arguments into one, the issue is used for political purposes. Again, whether or not someone deserves death is a different issue from whether the state should ahve the death penalty.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('76','Scy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('76','Scy','I don\'t understand why the real argument on this issue is, at best, glossed over and, at worst, ignored. I have been both a prosecutor and defense attorney before I retired.\r\n\r\nThe issue about whether or not someone deserves the death penalty is a completely different argument about whether or not the state should put people to death.\r\n\r\nAre there people who deserve the death penalty or, if given that chance, I would put a gun to their head and pull the trigger? ABSOLUTELY. Some of these people are evil in the flesh and society would be better off getting rid of them. \r\n\r\nHowever, think for a moment about someone you love and ask yourself would it be worth executing your significant other or your kids or your parents to execute the child killer that we KNOW is guilty? Of course not . . . at least I can\'t imagine anyone giving another answer. And we KNOW for 100% certainty that that has occurred in America. We HAVE executed the innocent. thanks to DNA evidence we have saved many innocents from that fate.\r\n\r\nBecause people merge these arguments into one, the issue is used for political purposes. Again, whether or not someone deserves death is a different issue from whether the state should ahve the death penalty.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don’t understand why the real argument on this issue is, at best, glossed over and, at worst, ignored. I have been both a prosecutor and defense attorney before I retired.

The issue about whether or not someone deserves the death penalty is a completely different argument about whether or not the state should put people to death.

Are there people who deserve the death penalty or, if given that chance, I would put a gun to their head and pull the trigger? ABSOLUTELY. Some of these people are evil in the flesh and society would be better off getting rid of them.

However, think for a moment about someone you love and ask yourself would it be worth executing your significant other or your kids or your parents to execute the child killer that we KNOW is guilty? Of course not . . . at least I can’t imagine anyone giving another answer. And we KNOW for 100% certainty that that has occurred in America. We HAVE executed the innocent. thanks to DNA evidence we have saved many innocents from that fate.

Because people merge these arguments into one, the issue is used for political purposes. Again, whether or not someone deserves death is a different issue from whether the state should ahve the death penalty.

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]]> By: Paul Wilden http://progressiveworldreview.com/2008/05/06/the-death-penalty-reasonable-doubt/#comment-61 Paul Wilden Fri, 09 May 2008 07:01:19 +0000 http://progressiveworldreview.com/?p=93#comment-61 So the fact that innocent people have been executed doesn't bother you? And how about the one-hundred plus that the "ridiculous legal crap" set free? Wasn't that worth the money? While I can understand why people have the attitude that they do about murderers and other heinous criminals, I feel the same way, the fact is this: our legal system has nothing to do with exacting revenge. You <em>never</em> give government any more power than is absolutely necessary, including empowering it to kill people without demonstrating an actual tangible benefit such as increased public safety, which has been shown, time and time again that the death penalty doesn't provide. In the final analysis, it is absolutely unconscionable to execute even one innocent person and we've put to death many more than that.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('61','Paul Wilden'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('61','Paul Wilden','So the fact that innocent people have been executed doesn\'t bother you? And how about the one-hundred plus that the \"ridiculous legal crap\" set free? Wasn\'t that worth the money?\r\n\r\nWhile I can understand why people have the attitude that they do about murderers and other heinous criminals, I feel the same way, the fact is this: our legal system has nothing to do with exacting revenge. You <em>never<\/em> give government any more power than is absolutely necessary, including empowering it to kill people without demonstrating an actual tangible benefit such as increased public safety, which has been shown, time and time again that the death penalty doesn\'t provide.\r\n\r\nIn the final analysis, it is absolutely unconscionable to execute even one innocent person and we\'ve put to death many more than that.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> So the fact that innocent people have been executed doesn’t bother you? And how about the one-hundred plus that the “ridiculous legal crap” set free? Wasn’t that worth the money?

While I can understand why people have the attitude that they do about murderers and other heinous criminals, I feel the same way, the fact is this: our legal system has nothing to do with exacting revenge. You never give government any more power than is absolutely necessary, including empowering it to kill people without demonstrating an actual tangible benefit such as increased public safety, which has been shown, time and time again that the death penalty doesn’t provide.

In the final analysis, it is absolutely unconscionable to execute even one innocent person and we’ve put to death many more than that.

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]]> By: Political Disgust http://progressiveworldreview.com/2008/05/06/the-death-penalty-reasonable-doubt/#comment-59 Political Disgust Thu, 08 May 2008 14:38:32 +0000 http://progressiveworldreview.com/?p=93#comment-59 OK, I have to disagree. I would rather a 100% convicted child killer, or murderer be put to death then pay through my taxes for his lifelong incarceration. While in jail he will get 3 meals, a roof, be able to read, go outside (even if limited, still go out into the yard), etc etc etc. All things a murderer should not be able to enjoy in my opinion. And I DO NOT believe that it costs more to kill someone then it does to pay for 50, 60 or 70 years of being in jail. It is way more for the jailing then it costs for 1 vile of poison injected into an arm. It is the ridiculous legal crap of people trying to defend murderers that wastes so much money. I do not think murderers (convicted and confirmed murderers) should be rewarded with life in prison. --- Political Disgust<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('59','Political Disgust'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('59','Political Disgust','OK, I have to disagree. I would rather a 100% convicted child killer, or murderer be put to death then pay through my taxes for his lifelong incarceration. While in jail he will get 3 meals, a roof, be able to read, go outside (even if limited, still go out into the yard), etc etc etc. All things a murderer should not be able to enjoy in my opinion. And I DO NOT believe that it costs more to kill someone then it does to pay for 50, 60 or 70 years of being in jail. It is way more for the jailing then it costs for 1 vile of poison injected into an arm. It is the ridiculous legal crap of people trying to defend murderers that wastes so much money.\r\n\r\nI do not think murderers (convicted and confirmed murderers) should be rewarded with life in prison. \r\n\r\n---\r\nPolitical Disgust'); return false;">Quote</a></div> OK, I have to disagree. I would rather a 100% convicted child killer, or murderer be put to death then pay through my taxes for his lifelong incarceration. While in jail he will get 3 meals, a roof, be able to read, go outside (even if limited, still go out into the yard), etc etc etc. All things a murderer should not be able to enjoy in my opinion. And I DO NOT believe that it costs more to kill someone then it does to pay for 50, 60 or 70 years of being in jail. It is way more for the jailing then it costs for 1 vile of poison injected into an arm. It is the ridiculous legal crap of people trying to defend murderers that wastes so much money.

I do not think murderers (convicted and confirmed murderers) should be rewarded with life in prison.

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Political Disgust

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